tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post728677941267708333..comments2024-03-16T21:27:16.600+13:00Comments on CricketGeek: The ethics of walkingMykuhlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16821799061116228138noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-66471031148420877642013-07-19T13:35:40.941+12:002013-07-19T13:35:40.941+12:00TC Adamson has written a response to this, looking...TC Adamson has written a response to this, looking at the consequentialist view in more detail (and treating it more fairly). You can read it <a href="http://tcadamson.tumblr.com/" rel="nofollow">here.</a>Mykuhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821799061116228138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-9169001388031209852013-07-19T13:31:29.287+12:002013-07-19T13:31:29.287+12:00Having re-watched the Ramdin incident, I can see w...Having re-watched the Ramdin incident, I can see why you would think that he didn't appeal. However the difference for me is their position in the process. The fielding side has a role in appealing, the batsman doesn't have a prescribed role, only an optional one. That's where the difference is in my opinion.<br /><br />The availability (or otherwise) of the DRS doesn't really make an ethical difference in my opinion, because it isn't in play until after the process of the appeal/decision is completed.Mykuhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821799061116228138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-87027004750453206462013-07-18T23:28:26.502+12:002013-07-18T23:28:26.502+12:00Brilliant...applicable to any individual in any pr...Brilliant...applicable to any individual in any profession. And MH brought this out... <br /><br />We have watched the replays of that over and over – Ramdin did not appeal. All he did was not tell the umpire he had not taken the catch cleanly. Broad did a similar thing – he did not let the umpire know that he had hit the ball. Both of them committed the same crime. Yet, Ramdin got penalised and nothing will happen to Broad.<br /><br />About the umpires being there to do a job and that what goes around comes around. That no longer applies with DRS in play. Before the batsman had any input into the decision, you could say that. Now the batsman has become an umpire in that he can refer dismissals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-76382041655182356682013-07-18T22:19:58.825+12:002013-07-18T22:19:58.825+12:00Gosh - I hope I got all the theories correct! (it ...Gosh - I hope I got all the theories correct! (it has been a while) Glad you enjoyed it. :)Mykuhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821799061116228138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-10654616585824930202013-07-18T22:08:29.338+12:002013-07-18T22:08:29.338+12:00Great post! Given this ethics lecturer something t...Great post! Given this ethics lecturer something to think about :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-39838375354894875392013-07-17T16:09:39.312+12:002013-07-17T16:09:39.312+12:00I think there's a difference between appealing...I think there's a difference between appealing when you're not sure and appealing when you know it's not out. I would like to see some action taken against wicket-keepers who appeal when the ball goes down the leg-side in an ODI, trying to stop the umpire calling a wide.<br /><br />In saying that, I'm a bit of a hypocrite here, as I once appealed for a lbw off my own bowling when I had bowled a top-spinner that I knew that the ball was going to go over the top of the stumps. However I shouted "got him with the wrongun!" then turned round and politely asked "How was that sir" to the umpire, who promptly put up his finger. I didn't withdraw the appeal. :)Mykuhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821799061116228138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-66842085783482003482013-07-17T13:17:28.489+12:002013-07-17T13:17:28.489+12:00i really liked your post. And your conclusions are...i really liked your post. And your conclusions are correct. One thing I would add, which you kind of implicitly say anyway, is that the current culture of cricket is such, that fielders appeal for pretty much everything these days, thus the unsaid precedent has been set by the fielding team, that all decisions are to be left with the umpire. Even the perenial walker Gilchrist appealed when he knew a dismissal wasn't out ( there's a funny clip of him on You Tube appealing for a stumping, when it's pretty obvious to the naked eye the batsman wasn't out). Therefore, given this culture of dishonest appealing has become so commonplace, it's ridiculous then to expect the batsman to assume a whole new set of moral imperatives, when he is not fielding. Semaiyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12368703471996254826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-27458327192642697182013-07-17T08:01:07.255+12:002013-07-17T08:01:07.255+12:00If you watch the video of Ramdin spilling the ball...If you watch the video of Ramdin spilling the ball then trying to hide the fact that he's dropped it from the umpire, it's very difficult to believe that he thought he had the ball under control.<br /><br />He had every right to appeal if he was unsure, but generally a player will indicate that they are unsure, rather than pretend they have taken it fairly, when they don't think they have.Mykuhlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821799061116228138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6957117710153695243.post-53599097586540127232013-07-17T04:54:07.201+12:002013-07-17T04:54:07.201+12:00I don't agree with your conclusion. We are mis...I don't agree with your conclusion. We are missing a vital piece of information before that conclusion can be drawn. If Ramdin thought that he may have had the ball under control he has the fullest right to ask the umpire for a decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com